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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 09:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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St Mary's Church, Presbytery and Convent, Little Crosby

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West end of St Mary's Church, Little Crosby

  • Reviewed: Alvin C. Graves
  • Comment: To find the page confirming the hook, go to the online source and click on The Church Ceiling link.

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 15:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC).

  • Length is OK, no copyvio I could detect. The problem seems here is I don't see the hook is well cited, I mean it is not mentioned in your given Ref no. 6. And the hook should be mentioned in the LEAD too, where readers could get summary of the article. But first clear the issue of Ref, which does not contain the hook information. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 19:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Please see my comment above which was intended to prevent this complication. If you click on Ref 6, then go to the menu on the left, click on "The Church Ceiling" and there it is, plainly cited. It's not my fault that the web link does not take you directly to the appropriate page. And there is no "rule" that the hook has to be included in the lead; it just has to be verifiable by a reliable source, which it is, and to be interesting, which IMO it is. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah I see that it's the site's problem, that's OK then. But we need to mention the hook in the LEAD, because when readers are coming to this article by just reading a one sentence (hook), that sentence should be mentioned in the summary of the article (LEAD). I know that's not the rule, but this is the important sentence (DID YOU KNOW?) in the article right now, which should be mentioned. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 01:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I disagree. There is no requirement for a DYK hook to be mentioned in the lead. The lead is a summary of the major points in the article. A DYK hook is supposed to be an interesting, even quirky, point to draw attention to the article, or even just to amuse. By its nature it is very likely that a DYK hook will be a trivial rather than a major aspect of the article. In this particular nomination, were I to give this sentence more importance by placing it in the lead, I would have to include many more parts of the article in the lead, effectively making the lead the article. That is not in the spirit of DYK. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I've involved an experienced editor. He'll be here. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 08:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
  • The hook is not required to be in the LEAD of the article. It often won't be. The WP:LEAD is intended to be a broad brush summary of the article. A DYK hook could easily be about an obscure fact from the article that is not worthy of being in the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks Tony. In that case (which I was unaware of, sorry Peter I. Vardy), I'm accepting the nomination now and it's good to go. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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